We Believe Questions?

The Testimony of the Spirit of Prophecy – a Test! by Randy Moeller

 The signs that we have entered into the last phases of this world’s history are plain to the students of prophecy. Even those in the world sense that there is something that is coming upon the horizon that is going to change the world in which we live in forever. A new dispensation has begun and most are asleep and do not realize what these events are. Those events are another topic of discussion. For there are tests that we have to go through, as Christ was tested in the wilderness three times, as we have the Three Angels Message which are the tests for us for these last days. As a Seventh Day Adventist, God’s denominated people we have three tests the first of these is the Spirit of Prophecy. That is the topic of this discussion.

As the nearness of Christ stands upon the horizon that is plainly seen by Students of Prophecy yet, most of Adventism is asleep. We have been caught up in our traditions. We treat the SOP (Spirit of Prophecy) more as a tradition than a reality. We feel we can decide what is truth and what is not when we are to let the Bible be its own expositor. God Forgive us!.. Who are we to make such decisions and this is the controversy of God towards us. Note the following quote:

I am instructed to say to our churches, Study the Testimonies. They are written for our admonition and encouragement, upon whom the ends of the world are come. If God’s people will not study these messages that are sent to them from time to time, they are guilty of rejecting light. Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little, God is sending instruction to His people. Heed the instruction; follow the light. The Lord has a controversy with His people because in the past they have not heeded His instruction and followed His guidance.  {3SM 358.2}

Since we have not heeded the instruction given to us, this can only mean we have not truly accepted the prophetic gift of Sister White. From the General Conference down to through the laity we are not willing to accept this council. Even those who feel they lift Ellen G. White up as a prophet do not fully understand this gift. Those who seek to abide by her council are called “fanatics” they are looked down upon, demeaned and ostracized. For some perhaps rightly so because instead of being a council to lift up Christ they use it in the wrong spirit, scripture can be used in the same way but little is said about this.

So what is our condition, notice what scripture has to say about this;

 Our Condition: Isa 1:5-6  Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.  (6)  From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment. (Rev 3:14-19)

So it is not just the leadership that is sick but we are sick from the head to the toe. We have in essence rejected the prophetic gift. How is this? When we say from the conference level that her writings are not equal to scripture we have placed a barrier between ourselves and our Heavenly Father and we need to repent from the head to the toe and once again accept the gift in its fullness.

Here is where my mind “flip-flops”. We say we have a prophet then we say her words can be determined by man, that we have the authority from God to make this determination. Who do we think we are? Are we prophets so that we can determine that which is important to us and that which is not? Yes, I understand contextualization, that does not mean that we can “willy-nilly” determine that which is important and that which is not. Yet, this is exactly what we have done. What arrogance! Are we any different than Israel of old that slew the prophets? No, in fact we are worse. We have all of their lessons but have not learned from them. God forgive is us is my plea, God forgive! We are to live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

Obedience?: Deu 8:3  And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.(Mat 4:4, Luk 4:4)

Scripture is plain; we are to live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. We claim Ellen G. White to be a prophet. Are we not to live by every word that has been written for our admonition? Why do we not want to do this? Simply put, it requires us to change to be different from the world. Not complicated but have we not been called to come out of her instead of living in her? Do we not think that we need to use the things of the world to attract people into our Church, to use the different modalities or formulas that world uses instead of a simple plain thus sayeth the Lord? We seek daily to be more like the world instead of being a separate and distinct people. This simple understanding is the first test for SDA’s. Those of you who may read this that are not SDA, frankly speaking this is not your problem, but it truly is ours. Again I say Please Lord forgive us and heal us of our iniquity. Does our Lord change?

Change not: Mal 3:6  For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.(James 1:7, Heb 13:8

Since our Lord does not change, how can we take the writings of the SOP from a woman who we call a prophet of God and determine that which is important for our spiritual growth and that which is not? In essence we have relegated her writings to the dust heap of ignorance. We have lifted up men through the BRI to help us determine what truth is and what is not. Since when can man tell what truth is? There is an attitude that is prevalent throughout Adventism that EGW is only partially inspired. I can only shake my head in wonder.

Please understand a little about myself. I came out of the New Age movement into Adventism. I had studied many false prophets, from Alice Baily, to Lobsang Rampa. I was an expert in false prophets, in other words spiritualism. When I read the Great Controversy and as I read the Testimonies, the truth that is there brings conviction and that is the core of the challenge for Adventism. When you read the SOP it brings you to the cross. Jesus is lifted up and your pride and arrogance are thrown into the dust heap of ignorance and the SOP is lifted up and placed where it should be next to the Bible. I know that this just got me into more trouble but that is a simple truth and the purpose of this presentation. If we are willing to accept this prophetic gift notice what scripture has to say.

Promise: 2Ch 20:20  And they rose early in the morning, and went forth into the wilderness of Tekoa: and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem; Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper. Exo 14:31 (2Chro 20:20-26)

Scripture is clear, there is a blessing that accompanies our acceptance of God’s Word. Whether from Scripture or the SOP there is a blessing. I have personally heard people say that she really did not consider herself to be a prophet. Hence from this point on I will be using the SOP and making comments in regards to here quotes, so having said that notice what She had to say about her gift.

EGW A Prophet?  During the discourse, I said that I did not claim to be a prophetess. Some were surprised at this statement, and as much is being said in regard to it, I will make an explanation. Others have called me a prophetess, but I have never assumed that title. I have not felt that it was my duty thus to designate myself. Those who boldly assume that they are prophets in this our day are often a reproach to the cause of Christ.  {1SM 35.6}  My work includes much more than this name signifies. I regard myself as a messenger, entrusted by the Lord with messages for His people.–Letter 55, 1905.  {1SM 36.1}

Before we continue with her position as a prophet, there are many that say that she really did not support the charts or 2520, Islam and Daily for  those we have a question please note the following statement by EGW and the dates that they were given. What messages is the Spirit of Prophecy speaking of?

 a.         Those who stand as teachers and leaders in our institutions are to be sound in the faith and in the principles of the third angel’s message. God wants His people to know that we have the message as He gave it to us in 1843 and 1844. We knew then what the message meant, and we call upon our people today to obey the word, “Bind up the law among My disciples.” In this world there are but two classes,–the obedient and the disobedient. To which class do we belong? (GCB April 1st 1903)

 b.         The warning has come: Nothing is to be allowed to come in that will disturb the foundation of the faith upon which we have been building ever since the message came in 1842, 1843, and 1844. I was in this message, and ever since I have been standing before the world, true to the light that God has given us. We do not propose to take our feet off the platform on which they were placed as day by day we sought the Lord with earnest prayer, seeking for light. Do you think that I could give up the light that God has given me? It is to be as the Rock of Ages. (GCB April 6th 1903)

 c.         We have, as had John, a message to bear of the things which we have seen and heard. God is not giving us a new message. We are to proclaim the message that in 1843 and 1844 brought us out of the other churches. We need the Holy Spirit to kindle in our hearts the zeal and earnestness that were then seen among God’s people. I thank the Lord that there are still living a few who can remember those days, and who know whereof they speak.(RH Jan 19th 1905)

 d.         The truths that we received in 1841, ’42, ’43, and ’44 are now to be studied and proclaimed. The messages of the first, second, and third angels will in the future be proclaimed with a loud voice. They will be given with earnest determination and in the power of the Spirit.(15MR Ltr 75 1905)

 e.         All the messages given from 1840-1844 are to be made forcible now, for there are many people who have lost their bearings. The messages are to go to all the churches.  {21MR 437.1}(LTR 54 1906)

 f.          God bids us give our time and strength to the work of preaching to the people the messages that stirred men and women in 1843 and 1844.  {MR760 30.1}(July 4th 1907)

So what are those messages. Note what was stated by EGW in 1850.These paragraphs make it plain but it still there is resistance.

 I also saw that the shepherds should consult those in whom they have reason to have confidence, those who have been in all the messages, and are firm in all the present truth, before they advocate any new point of importance, which they may think the Bible sustains. Then the shepherds will be perfectly united, and the union of the shepherds will be felt by the church. Such a course I saw would prevent unhappy divisions, and then there would be no danger of the precious flock being divided, and the sheep scattered, without a shepherd.  {RH, November 1, 1850 par. 8}  

Who were those that we are to consult? Have we kept before God’s people the writings of our Pioneers from the Pulpit, in classroom studies in the churches. No. For example was Uriah Smith one who had the experience from 1840-44? No he was not, he did not become an SDA until December of 1852. Please note the quote below, that darkness started to enter after 1844 paragraph c..

a. September 23d, the Lord showed me that he had stretched out his hand the second time to recover the remnant of his people, and that efforts must be redoubled in this gathering time. In the scattering time Israel was smitten and torn; but now in the gathering time God will heal and bind up his people. In the scattering, efforts made to spread the truth had but little effect, accomplished but little or nothing; but in the gathering when God has set his hand to gather his people, efforts to spread the truth will have their designed effect. All should be united and zealous in the work. I saw that it was a shame for any to refer to the scattering for examples to govern us now in the gathering; for if God does no more for us now than he did then, Israel would never be gathered. It is as necessary that the truth should be published in a paper, as preached.  {RH, November 1, 1850 par. 9}  

Here she is talking about the Gathering time which as you take the time to study the Pioneers those who had the experience of the message from 40-44 they all understood that experience which included the 2520, Daily and Islam.

  b.   The Lord showed me that the 1843 chart was directed by his hand, and that no part of it should be altered; that the figures were as he wanted them. That his hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures, so that none could see it, until his hand was removed.  {RH, November 1, 1850 par. 10}  

It amazes me how people interpret this and the following quote. Both are separate and distinct statements. There was only one mistake on the 1843 and that was the year 1844. That means every other point on those charts are correct.

   c.  Then I saw in relation to the “Daily,” that the word “sacrifice” was supplied by man’s wisdom, and does not belong to the text; and that the Lord gave the correct view of it to those who gave the judgment hour cry. When union existed, before 1844, nearly all were united on the correct view of the “Daily;” but since 1844, in the confusion, other views have been embraced, and darkness and confusion has followed.  {RH, November 1, 1850 par. 11}  

People ask for union, they feel this message brings division. Well any true message will agitate, agitate and agitate more and that reveals the characters of those who believe that which was given from 1840-44 and those who do not. As it was after 1844 where confusion has entered when truth of the Daily is brought back into the equation what will happen? Separation. I can assure you I know not of one person longs for this to happen but it will and we can see that it is.

   d.  The Lord showed me that Time had not been a test since 1844, and that time will never again be a test.  {RH, November 1, 1850 par. 12}  

This statement as can be seen is a stand alone. These paragraphs have been broken up but each of the above are separate paragraphs in the RH of November 1850. Those who are desiring to place time prophecies at the time of the Sunday Law and after are misleading God’s people. It creates in the hearts of those who do are not acting upon these messages the opportunity or an excuse not to get ready. I am mystified why people cannot see this simple understanding.

   e. Then I was pointed to some who are in the great error, that the saints are yet to go to Old Jerusalem, &c., before the Lord comes. Such a view is calculated to take the mind and interest from the present work of God, under the message of the third angel; for if we are to go to Jerusalem, then our minds will naturally be there, and our means will be withheld from other uses, to get the saints to Jerusalem. I saw that the reason why they were left to go into this great error, is because they have not confessed and forsaken their errors, that they have been in for a number of years past.
E. G. White.  {RH, November 1, 1850 par. 13}  W

We will be providing more and more quotes as time goes along in regards to the topics mentioned above. Thank you for taking the time and we encourage you to make sure these things are true. For you are responsible for your own Salvation:

Eze 14:14-23  Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.  (15)  If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts:  (16)  Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate.  (17)  Or if I bring a sword upon that land, and say, Sword, go through the land; so that I cut off man and beast from it:  (18)  Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters, but they only shall be delivered themselves.  (19)  Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast:  (20)  Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.  (21)  For thus saith the Lord GOD; How much more when I send my four sore judgments upon Jerusalem, the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast?  (22)  Yet, behold, therein shall be left a remnant that shall be brought forth, both sons and daughters: behold, they shall come forth unto you, and ye shall see their way and their doings: and ye shall be comforted concerning the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, even concerning all that I have brought upon it.  (23)  And they shall comfort you, when ye see their ways and their doings: and ye shall know that I have not done without cause all that I have done in it, saith the Lord GOD.

God Bless

Randy Moeller

One Response to We Believe Questions?

  1. maria dormishev says:

    Please help I was new to adventism . I was only involved for a year they didn’t teach me anything . While I was there I heard messages showing their apostasy in the church so I left I tryed to show the pastors what I learned they didn’t want anything to do with it .. I need to know what I’m expected to do as an adventist I don’t have a church . I watch jeff pippenger and bill huges on you tube . I highly repect how they teach the bible truths I need to find a way to contect them so I can learn to be the adventist the correct way. I don’t know anything but I. Do know that they are telling the truth please help. What am I supposed to do?? Am I condemned because I don’t know the bible truths please help teach me … god bless you

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